Tuesday, June 21, 2005

What Is The Origin Of This Niggun?

Each night when I put my one year-old son to bed I say Shema for him and sing him to sleep with "Kumi Roni" [track #3]. Does anyone know the origin of this niggun? The liner notes in the Yosef Karduner CD says something about the Maggid of Mezeritch.

I would appreciate any information that anyone has on this. Thank you.

* Also, does anyone know the origin of this niggun [track #1] that I sing to my daughter.


Rabbi David Sears responded:

"Rabbi Nachman Burstein shlita combined this old niggun with the words "Kumi Roni BaLayloh." Breslov tradition has it that the melody was written by the Maggid. Andy Statman once recorded it, too, on 'Songs of the Breslever Chassidim: Today.'"


At June 21, 2005 at 3:33:00 PM EDT, Blogger Akiva said...

Don't know about the one from Karduner, but the one you sing your daughter is a Chabad niggun (that whole CD is Chabad niggunim), or at least one that's also very popular with Chabad. It can be found on:

Nichoach Volume 5, Song 11
Chabad Nigun L'shabbos V'yom Tov

Here's an online link to it being sung on the old Chabad niggunim tape set (now available on CD and online): (Realplayer) Click Here.

Here's more, another online link and sheet music.

The liner notes say, "This is a serious, moving melody, sung usually at the Shabbat and festival meals. Although Chabad disciples do not recite the customary Shabbat z'mirot texts at the Shabbat and holiday meals, they sing melodies, mostly without words. This melody is as well popular in other Chassidic groups."

At June 21, 2005 at 4:55:00 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The niggun for "kumi roni", which seems to be mainly popular among Breslovers, is actually from the Maggid of Kozhnitz, not Mezritch.

At June 21, 2005 at 7:43:00 PM EDT, Blogger Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

The niggun is featured on a new CD by Yossi Goldstein, he says it's from the Mezritcher Maggid.

At June 21, 2005 at 11:37:00 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i did some work for chabad.org on research of nigunnim. go to chabad.org to media and search for vol. 5 song 11...let us know if you got it.

At June 22, 2005 at 7:21:00 AM EDT, Blogger A Simple Jew said...

Thank you for the link on Chabad.org about this niggun. Unfortunately, it doesn't say anything about the niggun's origin. A Lubavitcher shaliach once told me that it is from the Baal Shem Tov.

Has anyone else heard this?

At June 22, 2005 at 10:46:00 AM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps someone out there can help me with the origin - the actual composer - of another niggun:


It is known as a Chabad Rikud [dance niggun], but some Modzitzers have told me that Rebbe Shaul of Modzitz composed it and "gave" it to Chabad when 770 opened. Others have heard it sung in the Kotzker Shtibel in Poland [pre-war]. Still others attribute to Karlin, and some, to early Chabad, perhaps even the Ba'al HaTanya. The composer of this niggun is not identified, neither in the original notes to the record, nor in the Chabad "Sefer HaNiggunim."

Please post your answer here and/or to webmaster@modzitz.org


At February 16, 2011 at 9:04:00 PM EST, Blogger Damesek said...

I know its 6 years later.


Although it is well-known as Chabad, I heard from my Rebbe, Rav Twerski in Milwaukee that the "old-timer's" used to sing it at his father's tisch and it didn't have all of the classic Lubavitcher "kneitchen" as it is sung today.


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