Wednesday, January 10, 2007

"Till That Wave Passes Over You"

Dixie Yid: Spiritual Ebb and Flow

UPDATE: Read Rabbi Ozer Bergman's excellent advice to Dixie Yid here


At January 10, 2007 at 6:13:00 AM EST, Blogger A Simple Jew said...

Dixie Yid: I also once wrote about this topic in Ascending And Descending Wisdom From The Trumbum

At January 10, 2007 at 10:41:00 AM EST, Blogger avakesh said...

One defintion. Here is another defintion from
Ratzo V'Shov: (Chassidic term; lit. “run and return”) ratzo is a state of longing to cleave to G-d; the passionate desire of the soul to transcend its material existence, to “run forward” and cleave to its Source; shov is the soul’s sober determination to “return” and fulfill its mission in the body, the resolve to live within the context of material reality, based on the awareness that this is G-d’s ultimate intent

At January 10, 2007 at 2:17:00 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Simple Jew, thanks for pointing me to that post. The ratzo shouldn't be too fast or too much like you're saying.

What I'm also thinking, in light of What Rebbe Nachman said in Tinyana 48, is that you need to hold onto your madreiga, and not give up on things you're doing because of how low you feel.

So, that leads me to my thought, which is that it'd be a good idea to make your "ratzo" that much better, so you can have more to hold onto during the "shov" period. So I'm thinking about what that should be...

-Dixie Yid

At January 10, 2007 at 2:19:00 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Thanks for the definition. That one focuses more on the affirmative side of "shov." Instead of viewing it as a time to get through till the next "ratzo," it's a goal in and of it's self. Which, whatever definition you use, must really be true, since Hashem bothered to create the "shov," as well as the "ratzo!"

-Dixie Yid

At January 11, 2007 at 11:01:00 AM EST, Blogger avakesh said...

True. I also think that there is a difference in how the schools of the Maggid and schools that bypassed the Maggid, such as the Degel and Breslov, interpret certain terms and ideas.

At January 11, 2007 at 1:31:00 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please see my update on this post here:

based on my conversation with Rabbi Ozer Bregman, when I asked him my question from my original post.

-Dixie Yid


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