Thursday, November 01, 2007

A One-Man Chavrusa?

(Picture by Arturo Clavica)

"The more personal your relationship to HaShem through the nistar, the more difficult it becomes for two people to study together. This is how it always seemed to me anyways. But the more I thought about it the more I realized how much more there really is to it..."

A Waxing Wellspring: learning in pairs or groups

8 Comments:

At November 1, 2007 at 11:42:00 AM EDT, Anonymous A Yid said...

There is a saying from Reb Pinchos Koritzer zy"o about (but only concerning Ari za"l).

 
At November 1, 2007 at 12:18:00 PM EDT, Anonymous shoshana (bershad) said...

A Yid: If you can provide that saying of R' Pinchas (preferably with the source citation), I'd be grateful.

 
At November 1, 2007 at 12:21:00 PM EDT, Anonymous A Yid said...

I'll look it up bli neder in the evening. I remember it is in the "Shaar haToyro" in Imrey Pinchos.

 
At November 2, 2007 at 9:57:00 AM EDT, Anonymous Litvak said...

I think there may be two different things here.

Licheora there are different types of chavrusa-relationships.

One is when the two people are somewhat similar/equal. Each helps and supplements the other in their learning/avodas Hashem.

Another situation is when one is much higher than the other in learning. In that case, it's more like a Rebbe-talmid relationship, even if the Rebbe does learn from his students (as Chazal tell us).

Anyway, no two chavrusa relationships are exactly the same. It is not so simple to get a good chavrusa. There are many different possible levels. An excellent chavrusa can be a great boost to someone, while a problematic chavrusa can be a real drag. A chavrusa is like a zivug in a way. We should do what we can to find a suitable chavrusa, a good match, and not necessarily just take the most convenient one, that requires the least searching and effort.

Of course, it seemingly would be a good idea to be mispallel for a good chavrusa too (though perhaps one could say that it would be included in davening for success in learning in general).

 
At November 3, 2007 at 9:09:00 PM EDT, Anonymous A Yid said...

shoshana (bershad): Imrey Pinchos, Shaat haToyro 67.

 
At November 3, 2007 at 9:09:00 PM EDT, Anonymous A Yid said...

I meant "Shaar haToyro".

 
At November 3, 2007 at 9:26:00 PM EDT, Anonymous shoshana (bershad) said...

A Yid: Thanks for getting back to me with the citation.

 
At November 4, 2007 at 1:35:00 AM EST, Blogger yitz.. said...

@litvak,

i'm of the persuasion that doesn't want another zivug---one is enough and i invest all of my energy in HaShem through her.

maybe i'm missing something, and maybe in later years it will be different, but right now i dont have room in my life for any more people on the level of intimacy that I have with HaShem and with my wife.

 

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